406 HDi Stop Warning

[Longintooth]

Hi
Following up on the problem I lifted the carpets and wow I did not ever have a water leak so it must be condensation because it was very wet
around those plugs, 4 off, which lie bang under my throttle heel - one was very corroded and yukky so cleaned them meticulously and still no
luck with the BSI. It's looking like my options are fading - £253 for the BSI plus any labour charges for re programming. My family is chock full of
programmers and electronic engineers and it really gets me peaved when I have to take it in to a "garage".

[Longintooth]

Hi
I see some other posts are suffering rear light problems - well I'm sure this is where to look first.

[Longintooth]

Hi you guys
I got my 406 back from the Dealer - the problem was the wires under the floor had been subject to ingress of water which as you all know blackens the wire cores and ultimately creates a resistance so that the BSI does not get the signal it's looking for. This corrupts the program. Once the wires have been replaced and reconnected to the BSI the unit is simply reprogrammed. They say the water gets in through the rear lights and so they need to be sealed - also the carpets have to be fully dried out.
The message here for you all is take a regular look under the carpets to check for water and make sure those plugs a kept dry then most of the electrical problems resulting in dash or rear lights will be prevented.

[Longintooth]

Oh and by the way I had all the carpets out and got to the plugs and the BSI within 1hour and could have replaced the offending wires from the plugs to the BSi in about another hour easy then replaced the carpets and trim another half hour. Sealed the rear light with silicone sealer 15 mins. Taking it into the dealer because I did not have access to the programming has just cost £550. 75.
This kind of money is unjustified for a car of this age (2000). When I buy a computer programme and load it on a computer I have the disc to reload it if it gets corrupted, the car makers should be forced to provide a disc with the vehicle and this could be configured for that Vin number.
It is the last Peugeot I will buy. Laughing all the way to the bank.

[steve_earwig]

Thanks for the feedback (I always worry people will fix stuff but not let us know how). Boo hiss to Peugeot, you're dead right about the program but it's all part of the scheme to put a big label on the bonnet "no user servicable parts inside". Unfortunatly I don't think you'll find a company that doesn't do this sort of thing Bring back carburettors!! (and f*ck the environment)

[Welly]

Having seen a D9 HDi in Autotrader this week for £575.00 (honest) I think it may make sense in a year or so to just throw these things away and buy another one that works

*leaps forward 1 year to a huuuuge pile of D9's in the scrappy*

[steve_earwig]

Indeed, that sort of money makes them disposable - I suppose it reflects the amount of faults people expect them to have. Gone are the days when it was rust (or being severely bent) that wrote cars off. Head gasket gone? BSI up the shoot? Scrap it and buy another!


ps. they cost 5x as much here, I hate you all

[Longintooth]

Hi all
I'm still hurting from that bill and today the dealer customer service rang me to ask if all was well and to check my pulse I suppose. Now without being nasty or cynical I said I was a tad disappointed with the bill - she asked why - I said I was unacoustomed to paying £550.75 for what amounted to a days work soldering nine wires together cutting out four that ran from the floor to the BSi 500mm then resetting the system with
their bespoke laptop - oh and they washed it down after the job was done. The service manager very kindly rang me to convince me that £65 plus vat per hour was a reasonable rate but since the car was almost 8 years old felt a bit sympathetic and reduced the rate to £45 plus vat per hour and made me feel ungrateful but after listening to my rant that the car should be scrapped if I was forced to bring it in to a dealer he offered a further gesture of £40 per hour on condition that I remove all negative comments from the internet. I would recommend to anyone who has a Peugeot to sell it as soon as it gets out of warranty and the buyer should allow for the fact that when the clutch, Turbo or Electronics needs changing you will be looking at £2500 plus any other bits that need a dealer repair. If all manufacturers are doing the same then the used car market will collapse. I can honestly say my oscilloscope and other diagnostic tools were useless and with even the smallest electrical device now containing a chip that needs remapping to the system means that there is no point in training as an Automotive electrical technician unless you work in a dealership. The later models have even more monopolistic devices that will mean the throwaway car has come of age.

[mjb]

Having seen a D9 HDi in Autotrader this week for £575.00 (honest) I think it may make sense in a year or so to just throw these things away and buy another one that works

I threw away a perfectly good D8 tubby over a cambelt, split cv boot and bonnet... As far as I'm concerned D8s are disposable cars

The service manager very kindly rang me to convince me that £65 plus vat per hour was a reasonable rat

It is for a dealer. Most charge £100+VAT per hour. I've hear BMWs labour rate is £175+VAT

I would recommend to anyone who has a Peugeot to sell it as soon as it gets out of warranty and the buyer should allow for the fact that when the clutch, Turbo or Electronics needs changing you will be looking at £2500

HAHAHA I've not even owned one in warranty, but you are SERIOUSLY off the mark with £2500. An entire new BSI's only about £800 iirc or if you weren't dumb/rich enough to go to the dealer you could send the BSI off with £125 and get a reconned one from somewhere like http://www.bba-reman.com/content.aspx?c ... ol_failure

Any auto sparky worth his salt should be able to spot something simple like a defective component or dodgy cable/plug even on a multiplexed system. Most of the time you don't even need a logic analyser/can bus decoder, hell you don't even need a 'scope, just a multimeter and an LED soldered to a couple of probes/clips are all yo uneed to track down most problems


So if we should all ditch our Peugeots, what should we get given EC regulations mean EVERY car sold in the EU since about 2000 must have multiplexed systems? Rust buckets from the 80s?

[Longintooth]

Hi
Well I purchased a Turbo for £360 and fitted it myself when I had the clutch out since you need to drop the subframe and steering gear to do it,
and I did contact BBA about the BSI who as posted earlier told me they had to give up on trying to rectify one with the identical fault I had. As far has a lecy worth his salt I and a more than one auto electrical specialist of 30 years tried and failed. The dealer who eventually fixed mine had to go to Peugeot because they failed to get in to the system even with their specialist diagnostic system. We could not get a signal out of the BSI on two cables with our oscilloscope . I'm intrigued with some of the latter comments but I agree I am on the low side with some pricing but that just reinforces what I said - the price would have been £255 more if the BSI had to be replaced. I also agree we have been solving many problems where sensors go duff and in particular emissions related faults but when the core system go down you need to access the protocol. Now they will tell you that you can buy the gear from the manufacturer but as one Auto electrical centre told me it just is not financially feasable to buy one for every make and model. I had a conversation with a major player in the diagnostic field who said the situation is becoming insurmountable. It won't be long before even a simple MAFF sensor will need to be mapped to the ECU. As far as the comparison with clothing goes I agree it depends what your priorities are but I for one know the value of things and there comes a time when you would be better off scrapping than repairing - eg I paid £2000 for this Puggy 406HDI two years ago, ok, it's given me a good run until just recently when I just spent £2500 on parts alone - there is no investment value here since none of these parts can be fitted to another car easily - had I foreseen these occurences I would have scrapped it and gone for another motor - I also run a BMW 3 series.