WHAT WOULD YOU BUY DIESEL OR PETROL

[steve_earwig]

Eay mate, buy an Aston or a Ferrari or similar, something hugely desirable with a massive waiting list

[turbolag]

Small cars are holding their value really well right now Dai, and most people don't rewlise how hard a Pug dealer will discount.

I haggled like hell for both my 107s and got them £2000 and £1300 discounted respectively. sold them on a year later £100 and £255 respectively less than I paid. It takes a bit of effort, on the phones playing dealers off against one another, but they'll pare a deal to the bone to shift a car. The salesman told me that my 2nd 107 had less than £100 profit in it for the dealers, such was the desperation to shift a car.

It's certainly something I'll do again rather than buy a low budget high miler - there's no stress, no MOT, warranty, no servicing and only £35 a year tax. Old used cars are more trouble and expense than they're worth these days. It's the diference between 'cheap' and 'good value'.

[DaiRees]

Ah right, I'm with you now. Problem is I don't want a small car, I want a big, luxurious, fully equipped family wagon, and that kind of car is always gonna depreciate with the grace and elegance of an elephant leaping off a cliff.

[turbolag]

True old chap, but the trade off in size (there's little difference in equipment - everything on a 406 can be had on a 107 except leather, but then a 406 cant be had with tiptronic) is that a £500 oldster is an unknoiwn quantity and even decent 406s can be a pain, whereas with a new car you got the warranty so just chuck the keys back at the dealer if it goes wrong.

The only real size difference is the boot - theres little difference in the rear seats and the 107 actually had rather better front cabin space and legtoom than the 406.

[Doggy]

Is the 107 built by the same people that do Dr Who's tardis then

[DaiRees]

Nah turbo, it's the age old argument. Yes I spend maybe 90% of my time in the car on my own and could probably benefit from having a smaller, more economical car for work (although my huge boot is generally jammed full of all the parafinalia I need to carry ), but what do you do then when you need to cart around the whole tribe and all their associated shyte?

Gotta be a big car every time. Also gotta be a hatch or an estate, the one thing I hated about my 406 saloon was that it had a huge boot with a small openning, ever since the day when I was stuck in a car park in the pissing rain unpacking a pram that I'd just bought in mothercare so that I could get it in the boot cos the box was bigger than the hole! And from what I've seen of most newer saloons with their rakish back windows, the boot openning is even more restricted .

[puggy]

Got to go with Dai on this one, my estate swallows my fishing tackle and anyone
else's if i'm giving them a lift also my R/C planes and they aint small .Shall have
to video my mate trying to do the same with his 406 saloon

[mjb]

is that a £500 oldster is an unknoiwn quantity and even decent 406s can be a pain, whereas with a new car you got the warranty so just chuck the keys back at the dealer if it goes wrong.

Statistically a new car will go wrong a lot more than a 10 year old one, and you can't fix it yourself or take it to someone competent to fix because of the warranty - you're stuck with the dealer

The only real size difference is the boot - theres little difference in the rear seats and the 107 actually had rather better front cabin space and legtoom than the 406.

The 107 has a painfully bad driving position, awkwardly small and badly laid out pedals, hideous dashboard, uncomfortable seats, no rear seats if the driver needs the seat back, boot space so lacking you can't even get a case of beer in flat, a tiny fuel tank, and an engine that struggles with more than one person in the car. To top it all, if someone rear ends you at speed, your rear passengers are either crippled or dead.

On the plus side it has economy that's better than the 406 if you've got no passengers

[turbolag]

But thats the point Dai - the 406 saloon is a largish car, but is very badly packaged. The boot isn't the biggest in its class by a fair way, and rear seat space isn't class leading either. Front seat space is merely acceptable, and the 107 genuinely aces the 406 in the front. It's adequate, but pug missed a trick here.

That said, the 407s not much better and it didn't stop me buying 2...go figure

[Welly]

One thing's for sure with me (and I know the 107 will have more euro ncap thingies) but in a head on crash with a 7.5 tonne Eurocargo (like last years) I'd prefer that extra 2 feet of crumpled up metal in front of me that the 406 has (had)

[nimike]

Lots of debate on what is cheaper in the long run. Im not just refering to peugeot here. As many that know me. I will not be buying another peugeot. And im still really considering an alfa romeo 159 or a new shape honda accord when the 406 decideds its time to go bye bye. But after lots of debate do I go petrol or diesel?

If its a petrol I would be looking at a 2.2 as I guess you would have the same amount off pull as a diesel say mid range. Also a very free reving engine If the mood should take you .

Alot of manufactures now have some kind of all singing and dancing magic diesel filter that will cost alot to repair.

Any help or advise I would appreciate.

Many thanks,


Rappy

Petrol and diesel ok, what about LPG?

Go for the big donkey petrol engines and get it converted to LPG.... you'll never look back. I had a 110 hdi 406 (04) for a few months and noticed and ex bank managers car (same age) had been sitting in the local stealers for 7-8 months and hadnt moved. I went in to enquire about it and he was looking mine plus 2k for changing. well I took it for a test drive and went through the on board computer to see the mpg which was just over 21mpg, not a good selling point at all for him. I offered mine plus £600 which he refused. Told him that I was away to see Vauxhall, VW etc to see if they had any big donkey petrols to convert over to LPG. Needless to say, an hour later he phoned me back and broke my arm to do the part exchange.

3 years later, the 406 is going like a dream with no problems at all. What I have spent in total - new exhaust (£130 from quik fit) 4 x bridgestone tyres £160, new alternator £95 and a new battery £35. Ok. the road tax is £210 per year but with LPG @ 53p / l, you cant go wrong with that. 70l of LPG is £33 and no loss in power.

[Welly]

[turbolag]

One thing's for sure with me (and I know the 107 will have more euro ncap thingies) but in a head on crash with a 7.5 tonne Eurocargo (like last years) I'd prefer that extra 2 feet of crumpled up metal in front of me that the 406 has (had)

I'll take my chances with the 6 airbag, 5 star 107 if i had to have a crash, plus they have EBD and ESC, so are less likely to get into harms way to begin with. All the extra metal in the 406 does is make space for a physically large engine, which'll end up on your lap.

The passenger cell is very strong on the B-zero cars, as demonstrated by the photos one owner posted on the 107oc site showing the results of a run in against a 5 series.

Interesting fact - the 407 has a drivers scrotum airbag. Not sure I want that going off against my undercarriage!

[Welly]

Interesting fact - the 407 has a drivers scrotum airbag

What if a lady is driving?

Pussy catcher?

[turbolag]

A special velcro patch deploys...