Clutch pedal vibration

[mjb]

Well I've discovered I can't put an ES9J4S mount on because it's completely different how it bolts onto the engine, but I'm going to try buying an ES9J4S bush and a vice, and try to botch it into my existing mount in the hope I can avoid paying £90ish for a new mount

[locoboy]

On more than one occation i have rigged up some lighting and set my camera phone to record video whilst i have dome something on my car that i cant see on my own.

Review the video and see how much it is moving when your letting the clutch out.............

Even better if you can get a tape measure in on the shot too so you can put some scale to the movement.

Good luck

[Welly]

I remember James on here frigging up a temporary engine mount bush using cut pieces of old radiator hoses jammed-in there.

You may be able to do something like this to see if it stops the problem/vibration before you shell out for a new mount.

[mjb]

I remember James on here frigging up a temporary engine mount bush using cut pieces of old radiator hoses jammed-in there.

You may be able to do something like this to see if it stops the problem/vibration before you shell out for a new mount.

I *could* fill the mount in with hot glue... but I've been saying the mount needs replacing for ages now. Nevertheless I'm going to be trying to use an ES9J4S bush (which is a replaceable part) in the ES9J4 mount (which doesn't have a replaceable bush ) to save £80 or so

[mjb]

Urgh.

Well, it's up on axle stands, the gearbox oil is draining, I've got the o/s wheelarch liner and track rod off... Hoping by the end of tonight I can have the rest of the suspension split, the subframe lowered and the driveshaft out

Think I'll take the bottom mount with me to work tomorrow, so when I get the call saying my ES9J4S bush has arrived, I can hopefully get them to press it into the mount... Make them earn some of the money they've screwed out of me!

What do I mean by that?
180928 ES9J4 bottom mount bush £14.32
180904 Subframe bush for the bottom mount arm £7.34
Total: about £45!!!

If servicebox was working when I ordered them I'd have told them to f*** off and gone to the main dealer instead of the "peugeot parts distributor" on the way to work (which I'm having to do by bike again). Worryingly, the "peugeot parts distributor" (a Suzuki dealer+garage) has recently bought the pug main dealer

If my double-price bush doesn't fit the mount, I'll have to go to the pug dealer anyhow to drop £90.23 on part 181602 - the proper ES9J4 mount

I hate this car

[steve_earwig]

You keep saying that, maybe it should go on ebay... (new clutch, new cam belt, etc etc etc...) caveat on this baby!

Best of luck with the bush!!

[mjb]

You keep saying that, maybe it should go on ebay... (new clutch, new cam belt, etc etc etc...) caveat on this baby!

It's still a V6 with 175k on the clock though... it'd probably struggle to get a decent amount. Besides, it is NOT going to beat me!

I've got the mount sitting in my work bag now, without its bush, which came out VERY easily with a screwdriver (I've heard people saying these things needing a press or something more drastic to get out!). I can even compress it in my hand Also got the subframe's mount arm in there, but the bush in that is metal sleeved so I'm not going to try to remove that one by hand

As an aside I've discovered how to split the bottom ball joint very easily. Mole grips! Popped right out! 3 hours to drain the gearbox, drop the subframe, take the o/s suspension apart and remove the driveshaft and mount in a home garage. Not too bad if I do say so myself!

[Welly]

I'd have given up long ago so I can only doff my cap to you

[mjb]

WOOHOO! THANK GOD! etc...

Got the new mount bush (part 180928) and it turns out to be bang on right for the ES9J4! The colour of the plastic bit around the edge is different (blue, not the red of the old one) but it fits nicely. Got it half in by hand and I think a good hammer blow will finish it off

Muppets ordered the wrong part for the subframe arm bush though, so that's not going to get here until Tuesday. Going to put the old one back and see what happens. If the car's fixed as a result I'll just change it sometime later when I get round to replacing all the hideously worn bushes around the car

Fingers crossed - saddle sore sucks!

[steve_earwig]

That's a result! Not sure about the hammer, could you draw it in?

I gave the dealers here in Zagreb part numbers and they still ordered me the wrong bit

[mjb]

That's a result! Not sure about the hammer, could you draw it in?

Draw? I'm sure the hammer'll be ok, just going to tap one end after another

I gave the dealers here in Zagreb part numbers and they still ordered me the wrong bit

Aye, somewhere between writing it down on my receipt and actually ordering the thing, the idiots turned 180904 into 180924 I'm really not impressed by this place - the same place that got the wrong brake hoses for the car...

[mjb]

ok the hammering the bush into the mount idea failed. ended up using an old aux belt tensioner bolt, the nut from the mount arm and a piece of wood to fashion up a puller

Got the car back together in record time and fired up the engine...

It's still vibrating


Wonder if my pressure bleeding of the brakes could have over-pressurised the clutch circuit? I'm grasping at straws now because I REALLY don't want to have to go through all that again, take the gearbox out, pay £80 for a new release bearing, and be another week or 2 without a car, especially if it's not that

[steve_earwig]

Can't you just remove the slave cylinder? OR did something break before? I know, just undo the bleed nipple. I don't think that's going to be it though All I can think is something in the clutch has failed, if it's down to manufacturing you should be able to get a replacement (or a refund) but that won't help with all the time you've lost.

Haynes (BoL) says on the later ML5T there's a plate you remove to get to the release bearing, I don't suppose yours has one of these.

My back's not doing too well just either so I feel for you, I think I'd rather swim a mile in raw sewage than climb under a car just now.

[mjb]

Haynes (BoL) says on the later ML5T there's a plate you remove to get to the release bearing, I don't suppose yours has one of these.

No, and even if it did there's no way of removing the existing release bearing without taking the clutch plates off. My only hope I think now is that it's the gearbox mount come loose or something

Have a guess what numpty forgot to buy gearbox oil? guess I've got a bus ride ahead...

[mjb]

Missed the last bus that'd get me there in time yesterday, there's no busses on Sundays, and my bike's got a puncture. Things really aren't going my way on this

Well the car's back together and I drove it out of my garage because I ain't going to dismantle it again...

I did notice something though - the engine's running *VERY* badly. I think I may have been looking in completely the wrong place on this. I noticed some time ago that I've got a big crack running across the coil pack. One thing I've noticed today is there's a fairly loud ticking coming from that area... I know from previous experiments that with one cylinder not firing, it's not really noticeable, but two gone causes lots of vibration... Hmmmm

£138 from eurocarparts, so probably more than I paid for the car from the stealers. Guess I'm getting one from a breaker. Should probably plug the PP2000 in first though, but I don't know how the ECU could recognise a fault if the coil's sparking but just not to the plug. Come to think of it I don't recall having to clear any faults from my earlier experiments where the coil was shorting on oil