'96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Talk about the 406's electrical system, what wires do what, how to add extra functionality, etc.

Moderator: Moderators

User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

Six and a bit volts at the alternator with everything switched on and the engine revved up. Shagged, then, I suppose.
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by Doggy »

You've eliminated anything else, so I think it's got to the alternator. Could just be brushes - haven't done one for years, but some of them weren't too bad to replace.

Can't see why a working 2nd hand one should be a problem either, if you can get one from a local scrappy. Generally you can get a promise to swap it for another if it doesn't work.
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

Second hander ordered up from an Ebay breaker. I made sure the seller wasn't using the Royal Joke so it may even turn up before Christmas ^^
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
mrmetalman123
1.8 8v
Posts: 36
Joined: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:08 pm
Location: York

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by mrmetalman123 »

I have a mate who had this dim alt light on all the time,Turned out he had wired somthing up wrong when putting an aux socket in the back.Hed took what he though was a live feed and in fact it wasnt something like that I cant remember exactlly what he said.But anyway have you fitted a new radio or anything like that recently?Just a thought.
2.0 16v D9
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

Um, well... there was this...

The feed for these comes from the 12V supply to the MFD... since I don't have the MFD I hijacked the power. I've had these lights fitted a few weeks before this battery light came on, and switching them on or of doesn't seem to affect it.
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

If God had meant man to change car alternators he'd have given us tiny little fingers with spanner ends...

Grumble grumble grumble...
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
teamster1975
Site Admin & Mad Biker!
Posts: 6277
Joined: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:07 pm
Location: Woking, Surrey

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by teamster1975 »

swiss wrote:If God had meant man to change car alternators he'd have given us tiny little fingers with spanner ends...

Grumble grumble grumble...
Seconded. I had to take off the PAS pump when I did mine, right sod of a job (especially by torch light :frown: )
Just got the starter motor to change now :roll:
1996 406 1.8LX Got a bad case of hydro lock!
1996 406 Executive 2.0 Turbo XU10J2TE No longer hangin' on in there :(
1997 Honda CB500V
2003 Volvo V40 1.8 GDi SE killed by a nutter in a beemer 5 series
2008 Mondeo 2.0 TDCi Titanium X

"Always look on the bright side of life, dedo, dedo dedodedo"
User avatar
Doggy
Mod with a 2.2 HDi, De-Fapped!
Posts: 10710
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Location: Northants

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by Doggy »

swiss wrote:If God had meant man to change car alternators he'd have given us tiny little fingers with spanner ends...

Grumble grumble grumble...
Yes. yes, but is it sorted?
2002 HDi 2.2 Exec Estate, (2008-12) (wonderful)
2003 HDi 2.2 6-speed Exec Estate (2012-19) (also a gem)
2009 Citroen C5 2.0 HDi VTR+ Estate (godawful heap)
2008 BMW E91 330i touring (great fun - murdered by a reversing SUV)
2007 BMW E91 325i touring (slower smoother quieter)
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

Not yet. It got dark and I got cold and angry after the engine ate my 16mm socket. More shenanigans tomorrow.
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

Right, problemo, and your helping is needed thank you please. The lower securing bolt won't come out. It butts up against the PAS pipes and that doesn't let it clear the alternator. Something like this:

Image

Only thing I can think of is either removing the PAS pipes (no chance) or sawing the bolt off, buying a replacement and jamming that in from t'other side.

I'm going to drink tea and smoke until one of you clever chaps some up with a solution 8)
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
User avatar
DaiRees
Site Admin
Posts: 5377
Joined: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:24 am
Location: Merthyr Tydfil, South Wales (God's Country!)

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by DaiRees »

Loosen the engine mounts and lift it up a smidge? :?
Image
Playtime_Fontayne wrote:"Dai Rees Supplier of Fine Automobilia. Established 2007"
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

You're kidding me
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
User avatar
steve_earwig
Moderator
Posts: 19813
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 pm
Location: Jastrebarsko, Croatia http://www.jastrebarsko.hr/lokacija/

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by steve_earwig »

I can't really see how much you'd have to lift the engine to clear the pipes, it looks so close I think I'd be tempted to see how much flex the mounts had in them by sticking a jack (and lump of wood) under the sump. Don't overdo it!!
Unskilled meddling sin©e 2007

The submitted form was invalid. Try submitting again.
User avatar
swiss
3.0 24v
Posts: 1000
Joined: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Location: IM IN UR FACEBOOK ADING TEH STRANGES

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by swiss »

Never mind guys, it's out. I tried levering the pipes about but the bolt just wasn't having it so in order to a) get the bolt out and b) get my revenge on the bolt I gave it a good seeing to with a saw, hammer, extension bar and copious swearing. Then I put both halves on the driveway and danced around the bolt's carcass shouting "hah, how'd you like that Mr Clever Bolt?". This is a true thing that genuinely happened.

Old alternator is removed and is sitting on newspaper in the dining room for the wife to admire when she gets home.

Cup of tea, off down the shop to get a new bolt and then we'll try jamming the replacement unit in there. Huzzah.

BTW, HBOL talks about tensioning the auxy belt. It reckons you adjust the tensioner by guesstimation until there's ~5mm play in the longest run. However it also suggests this is only a temporary fix and it ought to be checked by a garage since it requires 'specialist equipment' to tension properly. Your thoughts, if I may?
The man with no car

"Close the door on your way out, and don't forget your monkey."
jasper5
3.0 24v
Posts: 3689
Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2008 1:30 pm

Re: '96 D8 DT Battery Light On But Dim.

Post by jasper5 »

Tom, has your tensioner got 2 x 6mm allen bolts holding the tensioner tight, and a 6mm or 13mm headed bolt at the bottom that does the tensioning?

If yours is this type, measure the diameter of your old alternator pulley and the diameter of the new one, if they are the same, tighten the tensioner until you get to where you can see where the tensioner bolts were originally (there will be noticable circles where the bolts came from)....then take it from there, if it feels tight, leave it...you will know if it's tight.

ps looking at the bolt that you struggled to get out, it looks like it is the wrong type of bolt that has been fitted.That bolt is a special bolt with a shoulder on it, it should be 21mm spanner size.
Post Reply