Timing out.... waaay out

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:10 pm

my parts cd says the part no. is the same for the pulleys 0515H6

but they look different to me

Malachy · Post by **Malachy** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:12 pm

Any xu engine bottom pulley will fit, i chose to opt for a solid one on mine for now it came of an xsi engine

however being a pug its probably parts bin special, whatever they had left in the bin.

i personally dont feel the ned for the dampnered pulley its supposed to help "balance" everything and take out vibrations, in all honesty plenty of cars run without them and are perfectly fine.

mine will be coming of again this week just orderd up the matrial to make my 16v manifolds

niz406 · Post by **niz406** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:18 pm

jameslxdt wrote:niz you can achieve basic crank timing without the marks, get a long thin screwdriver, put it in cylinder no. 1 down the spark plug hole (crankshaft end but you already knew that) rotate engine until it stops rising once it starts to go down stop and rotate back untill it rises and stops and goes down then rotate forwards till it stops, i done this on a 205 gti 1.9, and as far as i know the car is still going

No 1 on this block is flywheel side isn't it... according to the workshop mannual CD...????????

I was going to do that but couldn't be arsed its dark!!!

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:20 pm

shite, yes, flywheel end, i forgot it was french

Malachy · Post by **Malachy** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:25 pm

jameslxdt wrote:shite, yes, flywheel end, i forgot it was french

the cambelts on pugs dont time up with cyl 1 at top stroke though they time up mid stroke, this is to prevent valve> piston contact while rotatng camshaft to get into timing marks on assembly. this method will not there fore work.
finding an acurate TDC is actually quite hard on the pug engines took me lots of trying only way i found in the end was by counting flywheel teeth. yes you can use a screw driver but i needed it to be acurate for ignition timing

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:28 pm

i thought that was only the 16v xu as they had wet liners?

Malachy · Post by **Malachy** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:39 pm

jameslxdt wrote:i thought that was only the 16v xu as they had wet liners?

only 16v xu with wet liners is the 1.9 mi16 alloy block the others are iron block and use the sme block as the 8v's (the 2ls even have the same casting reference of nsj4r this is cast into the block)

jameslxdt · Post by **jameslxdt** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:41 pm

so they all time up mid stroke?
what about the es9j4 V6? i think that has wet liners

Malachy · Post by **Malachy** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:45 pm

jameslxdt wrote:so they all time up mid stroke?
what about the es9j4 V6? i think that has wet liners

i have no idea have had no runnings with the v6 :/
all the xus i have worked on time up mid stroke at least

niz406 · Post by **niz406** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 9:56 pm

Yeah the |CD states that its mid stroke timing, but is that intake stroke or compression???

Malachy · Post by **Malachy** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:00 pm

niz406 wrote:Yeah the |CD states that its mid stroke timing, but is that intake stroke or compression???

thats where it gets confusing, in the guide i posted above in september it tells you how to time it up visually using a bolt on the block as a location vs the keyway on the crank.
edit: here is pic

niz406 · Post by **niz406** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:11 pm

I did look at the guide, have the camshaft locked and the crankshaft pulley off to be reset

will just make sure cyl 1 is the one on mid stroke when the pulley is returned