Mondeo ST TDCi Vs 407 Coupe?

[Bailes1992]

Hard choice Bailes.

Not make or model related.

Coupe has bigger doors so harder to get out of in a parking space.

5 door hatch far more practical

Coupe 4 seater. 5 door hatch 5 seater.

Have you been considering anything else?

I've been to look at a B5.5 Passat 4motion, and a B6 Passat 4motion. Both of which were solid but were dull to look at.
E46 318d is too old, can't insure an E90 318d/320d

I really am stuck here.
Think I should play it safe and get an ST though.

[waue1978]

I've been to look at a B5.5 Passat 4motion, and a B6 Passat 4motion. Both of which were solid but were dull to look at.
E46 318d is too old, can't insure an E90 318d/320d

I really am stuck here.
Think I should play it safe and get an ST though.

Have you also looked at a Titanium X 2.2? They did a few of them with the same body & interior as an ST (only 3.0 V6 & 2.2 TDCi), but different (less corrosive) alloys & potentially cheaper insurance.

Does seem so daft that you can insure cars like that for less than a 406 though. I ran a Confused.com quote the other day & found that my 530d is only £15 a year more than my old 406 was.

[lozz]

ithink the basic 2.0 tds Mondeys are quick enough, remapped/decated theyre pretty quick,
plenty basic ones about all with St bits on no one knows the diffence,

[lozz]

heres an Lx sT

http://www.migweb.co.uk/forums/cars-sal ... i-rep.html

[Bailes1992]

Standard ST will do me fine

Insurance on trying to declare the bumpers and what not will be hideous!

I have looked at Titanium X's but I just feel it would be a fake ST

[OdinEidolon]

Ok It may seem stupid but for that kind of money why not a 406?

You can get a brilliant 2.2HDi saloon which:
- is a beautiful looking car
- handles well
- is confortable
- has a brilliant help forum
- is a very practical car with lots of space inside
- you know common problems and failures well
- there are lots of them so parts are quite cheap, also Ade1122 can offer parts for the engine and whatever is shared with the coupé
- is a lovely solid engine
- remaps to ~180hp
- still manages 50-55mpg defapped
- defapping is really cheap
- it's really cheaper than whatever you may be wanting to buy right now. A perfect example sells for 1500-2000£ where you live, add 1000£ to get it perfect and spot on from all points of view, and for 2500-3000£ you have a more beautiful car, lovely engine and lovely ride.

You save lots of money that could be invested in fixing the car whenever it needs it, 2000£ can fix whatever you want for 4 years or even more.

[Bailes1992]

Ok It may seem stupid but for that kind of money why not a 406?

You can get a brilliant 2.2HDi saloon which:
- is a beautiful looking car
- handles well
- is confortable
- has a brilliant help forum
- is a very practical car with lots of space inside
- you know common problems and failures well
- there are lots of them so parts are quite cheap, also Ade1122 can offer parts for the engine and whatever is shared with the coupé
- is a lovely solid engine
- remaps to ~180hp
- still manages 50-55mpg defapped
- defapping is really cheap
- it's really cheaper than whatever you may be wanting to buy right now. A perfect example sells for 1500-2000£ where you live, add 1000£ to get it perfect and spot on from all points of view, and for 2500-3000£ you have a more beautiful car, lovely engine and lovely ride.

You save lots of money that could be invested in fixing the car whenever it needs it, 2000£ can fix whatever you want for 4 years or even more.

Insurance. Otherwise I would go buy myself a 2.2 HDi SE.
My 90bhp Rapier is £2165 if I renew right now.
The Mondeo ST TDCi is £1765 and the 407 Coupe is around the same price too.

aA 2.2 HDi 406 is... Wait for it...



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£2987.65

[lozz]

iwouidnt even bother having acar if iwas getting any of them insurance figures Feck that,

gets me why people want big massive cars to pay them sort of prices its just daft keep your 406 & put what you save in them daft isurance prices in the bank every year in the end it wouid pay for a brandnew motor

[waue1978]

gets me why people want big massive cars to pay them sort of prices its just daft keep your 406 & put what you save in them daft isurance prices in the bank every year in the end it wouid pay for a brandnew motor

Another one of the contributing factors in my decision to get a Berlingo/Partner.

530d - £430
406 110 - £415
406 2.2 - £480

Partner - £330


Takes me back to my first insurance policy (in my own name) at 18. I was pi**ed off at paying £1000 insurance on a 2.8i Granada because I'd only paid £700 for the car.

I suppose the equivalent now would be a V6 Omega (there isn't an equivalent big Ford that would be 12 years old now) & I dread to think what sort of insurance quote an 18 year old would get for one of those...

[lozz]

Idont blaim you tbh mate,
the picassos/partners etc are very reasonable for insurance, iwas shocked how low they are on insurance, Mine came in over 600 quid cheaper than a 406
its one of the Reasons istuck with citroen for a while,
iwouidnt mind something sporty but when ithink of the cost of insurance icarnt see no logic in it ,

[Bailes1992]

Even a 1.5D 106 is £1400

[grasmere59]

I sem to remember the 306's where quite cheap on insurance when my ex had one,why are the 406's so expensive?

[jonsowman]

I'm 21, 3 years no claims. I pay £800 for fully comp primary driver on my 406 2.1, 10k miles/year including business use.

Why are other people's (Bailes) so expensive? Is it related to postcodes etc?

[OdinEidolon]

Ok It may seem stupid but for that kind of money why not a 406?

You can get a brilliant 2.2HDi saloon which:
- is a beautiful looking car
- handles well
- is confortable
- has a brilliant help forum
- is a very practical car with lots of space inside
- you know common problems and failures well
- there are lots of them so parts are quite cheap, also Ade1122 can offer parts for the engine and whatever is shared with the coupé
- is a lovely solid engine
- remaps to ~180hp
- still manages 50-55mpg defapped
- defapping is really cheap
- it's really cheaper than whatever you may be wanting to buy right now. A perfect example sells for 1500-2000£ where you live, add 1000£ to get it perfect and spot on from all points of view, and for 2500-3000£ you have a more beautiful car, lovely engine and lovely ride.

You save lots of money that could be invested in fixing the car whenever it needs it, 2000£ can fix whatever you want for 4 years or even more.

Insurance. Otherwise I would go buy myself a 2.2 HDi SE.
My 90bhp Rapier is £2165 if I renew right now.
The Mondeo ST TDCi is £1765 and the 407 Coupe is around the same price too.

aA 2.2 HDi 406 is... Wait for it...



Wait....


£2987.65

That is insane. I thought prices in Italy were high. Well they are as much as yours are, but luckily a left-handed politician some years ago made a law for which I, son, can have the first car with my parent's insurance class (usually 1 if they did not have any accident) instead of entering with the standard 18 class (if you have no claims you gain a class every year, so it took you 17 years to pay the least money).
For this reason now I may be able to pay 600€ a year on the 406 instead of 3500€ (I still pay 330€ because it is insured under my father's who is retired and pays less). Thank you thank you thank you thank you Bersani!

At least there is one thing in which it Italy we are not the worst of the continent.

Even a 1.5D 106 is £1400

Crazy! Lovely car by the way. My mother's did easily 70mpg and even more. (yes it's true!)

If it's true 306s are cheaper why not get one? It's quite confortable, much more fun than a 406 or Mondeo or 407, cheap to run. The 2.0 90bhp is a well known engine and mods and remaps well (you may add an intercooler for example), gives exeptional economy. The car retains the 406's/Xantia's rear wheel passive steering and was the driver's hatchback back in its times. A lovely looking car too. Not much electrics so not much to fix.
Of course I seem to understand you love the "big car feeling", which is why you won't go for a 306 I guess.

[sirwiggum]

Why not something like a Jag X type diesel?