Getting harder to start

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Re: Getting harder to start

Post by steve_earwig »

Sounds good so far CJ :cheesy:

I'd have a go with the injector but I suspect that, without the right tools, I'd only damage it. The can be cleaned but not with a wire brush... Stick it in the car for a spare when you flog it :wink:

I'd suggest annealing but I'm not sure if it would be advisable for where it lives...
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It's probably not a good idea - I did it and subsequently had a leak, (which jonsowman had to sort out). :oops:
MIne looked fine too, but the reason they're copper is so they can deform to to form a perfect seal, you can't really do it a 2nd time.
Also the copper will become less malleable with the temperature cycles of the engine.
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Gotcha - will wait for one to arrive then! Let's hope it's today as I shoved screwed up paper towel inside the injector hole to stop condensation etc.
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Re: Getting harder to start

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IT'S FIIIIIXED! :mrgreen:

Refitted everything and tried to start. Nothing - just turning over. Looked in the engine bay and saw there was fuel leaking from the union on the injector. Tightened that up and the car started within two turns! Very happy - one of the most "sensitive" areas I've worked on on this car.

While fixing it though, I managed to lose a size 10 socket, a size 30 torx key and a plastic holder thing for the pipes somewhere in the engine bay. Looks like it's between the alternator and the engine block. Can't see a way to get to it, except removing the alternator and probably the alternator bracket. Not doing that....

Will try it with some magnetic tip ... else I'll just buy a new socket and a torx key. The new owner can have them.
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Well done that man!
Get yourself one of those inspection mirrors with a telescopic handle and a magnet at t'other end.
Really handy when you drop the sump plug in the basin too....
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Re: Getting harder to start

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Result :D

Current: 407 2.2 HDi 170 & C6 2.7 HDi.
Former: 406 1.9 TD; 406 HDi 90; 407 2.2 160; 307cc 180; 508 HDi 140.
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Doggy wrote:Get yourself one of those inspection mirrors with a telescopic handle
Hasn't puggy got a few of those?

Well done indeed, you're a braver man than me I can tell you, we should probably warn the viewers NOT to attempt any work to the fuel rail and pipes with the engine running!

Are you "working from home" this week :supafrisk:
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Welly wrote:Well done indeed, you're a braver man than me I can tell you, we should probably warn the viewers NOT to attempt any work to the fuel rail and pipes with the engine running!
Yes, definitely. My car was standing all night so I knew there was no pressure there.
Are you "working from home" this week :supafrisk:
:oops:

Going to lunch to take the car for a run - I wonder if my occasional turbo boost problem will have been sorted as well with the new injector.
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Re: Getting harder to start

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Drove fine - plenty of power and couldn't see any issues with the turbo. Seems like it gained power over the past few weeks, so all is good right now.

Just need to find the rattle... again.
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Re: Getting harder to start

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We're all hoping you won't find a rattle in the 407.

Inspired by your achievements, I ventured to check my injectors out - see separate tale of woe, (up soon)......
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Very good result :D
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Re: Getting harder to start

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Thanks all for the advice!
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2008 - 2009: 2004 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI 136bhp Executive Saloon
2009 - 2013: 2002 Peugeot 406 2.0 HDI 110bhp Executive Saloon
2013 - 2021: 2007 Peugeot 407 2.2 HDI 170bhp Executive Saloon (mapped to 213bhp :twisted:)
2021 - ????: 2016 Ford Mondeo 2.0 TDCi 180bhp Titanium
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